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« on: February 14, 2023, 08:09:20 PM »
Does anyone happen to remember the oil of wintergreen mixture for rejuvenating rubber?   I have some oil of wintergreen and would like to try it.
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80 Kz1000 C
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 05:25:04 AM »
I was told that Xylene works.  I bought some a couple of years ago but haven't tried it.
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I currently ride a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B - Classic Plated
I also ride a 1980 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Classic Plated, and a 2006 Honda Goldwing with a Daytona 2+2 sidecar

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 08:32:05 AM »
I believe it was Bear that told about this one and I have seen it a few other places.
Put the rubber in a small pot so you can cover with water add a teaspoon of wintergreen oil for each 10-12 ounces of water heat up to a low simmer for 2-4 minutes then let cool. Has worked pretty good for me. In general I use the Wurth’s rubber recovery putting the item in a plastic bag and spraying then sealing for a couple of days
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'69 Firebird Scrambler, '72 Tiger V, '71 BSA B50SS, '71 Commando 750, '72 Norton Roadster 750 Combat, '74 NORVIL 850, '77 RE Bullet, '51 Ariel Square 4(collector plates)
rolling,  '68 441 Victor Special, '69 441 Victor Special, '76 Yamaha RD 400, '76 Kawasaki KH400, '48 BSA A7 500 Twin, '70 Triumph Daytona 500, '71 Suzuki Stinger T125
rebuilding, '68 A65 Thunderbolt, '48 BSA A7 500 Twin, '76 Suzuki GT750, '69 Norton S type 750, '71 Norton Commando 750, (2) '63-65 Honda CA200 Sport Touring, '78 Honda CT90, '67 Triumph Daytona 500, '36 Ariel Red Hunter VH500 twin-port
waiting (5) D1/D7/D14/TrailBronc - BSA Bantams, '67 A65 Spitfire, '66 441 Victor Enduro, (2) '72 Trident T150U, '73 T150V, (2) '61 DM100C Ducati Cadet, (2) '76 Kawasaki KH400, '70 Bultaco Mk3 Lobito 125, (6) 59 to 63 Tiger Cubs, '74 Ducati 450 Scrambler,'69 BSA Rocket 3, '51 rigid and '53 sprung BSA C10's, '56 Ariel SQ4, '49 Ariel SQ4, '32 Ariel SB31 550cc SideValve
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 04:46:49 PM »
This stuff is the business:

https://www.amazon.ca/MG-Chemicals-Rubber-Liquid-Bottle/dp/B008O9X3KS
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 07:38:54 PM »
Quote from: Twisted_Twin on February 15, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
This stuff is the business:

https://www.amazon.ca/MG-Chemicals-Rubber-Liquid-Bottle/dp/B008O9X3KS

I already have a couple of bottles of oil of wintergreen.  I texted Bear.  He’s going to take a look in his files and see if he can find his recipe.  Hopefully he’ll get back to me tomorrow.  Meanwhile I’ve begun dismantling and cleaning.
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75 Honda CB750K5
80 Suzuki TS250
 ? Yamaha Maxim 550
73 Z1 900
76 Kz900 A1
77 Kz1000 A1
78 Kz1000 B2 Ltd
79 Kz1000 B3 Ltd
80 Kz1000 C
99 Triumph Tiger 900
84 Honda VF750 Interceptor
77 Honda CB750


Current ride:
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Current project:
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 09:11:52 PM »
I don't know about rubber, but neoprene responds well to carb cleaner. Plumps it up in a couple of minutes. The fuel valve on the CB750 was dripping. I took the insert out and soaked it for a few minutes, then fished it out and let it dry. Put the valve back in and fueled it up. I lost track of how many years it still held.

RD, did you leave the same petcock in when you worked on the bike?
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2023, 05:33:53 AM »
Quote from: Twisted_Twin on February 15, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
This stuff is the business:

https://www.amazon.ca/MG-Chemicals-Rubber-Liquid-Bottle/dp/B008O9X3KS

I see Xylene on the list of ingredients!
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Past rides include a 1973 Suzuki GT380 & a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B

I currently ride a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B - Classic Plated
I also ride a 1980 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Classic Plated, and a 2006 Honda Goldwing with a Daytona 2+2 sidecar

My Sweetums rides a 2019 Suzuki DR650
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2023, 10:23:25 AM »
And methyl salicylate, which is the active ingredient of Wintergreen oil.
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'69 Firebird Scrambler, '72 Tiger V, '71 BSA B50SS, '71 Commando 750, '72 Norton Roadster 750 Combat, '74 NORVIL 850, '77 RE Bullet, '51 Ariel Square 4(collector plates)
rolling,  '68 441 Victor Special, '69 441 Victor Special, '76 Yamaha RD 400, '76 Kawasaki KH400, '48 BSA A7 500 Twin, '70 Triumph Daytona 500, '71 Suzuki Stinger T125
rebuilding, '68 A65 Thunderbolt, '48 BSA A7 500 Twin, '76 Suzuki GT750, '69 Norton S type 750, '71 Norton Commando 750, (2) '63-65 Honda CA200 Sport Touring, '78 Honda CT90, '67 Triumph Daytona 500, '36 Ariel Red Hunter VH500 twin-port
waiting (5) D1/D7/D14/TrailBronc - BSA Bantams, '67 A65 Spitfire, '66 441 Victor Enduro, (2) '72 Trident T150U, '73 T150V, (2) '61 DM100C Ducati Cadet, (2) '76 Kawasaki KH400, '70 Bultaco Mk3 Lobito 125, (6) 59 to 63 Tiger Cubs, '74 Ducati 450 Scrambler,'69 BSA Rocket 3, '51 rigid and '53 sprung BSA C10's, '56 Ariel SQ4, '49 Ariel SQ4, '32 Ariel SB31 550cc SideValve
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 05:37:31 PM »
I have oil of wintergreen and xylene.  I’m wondering what mixture ratio I should use, how long to soak the rubber, etc.
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75 Honda CB750K5
80 Suzuki TS250
 ? Yamaha Maxim 550
73 Z1 900
76 Kz900 A1
77 Kz1000 A1
78 Kz1000 B2 Ltd
79 Kz1000 B3 Ltd
80 Kz1000 C
99 Triumph Tiger 900
84 Honda VF750 Interceptor
77 Honda CB750


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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2023, 05:35:11 AM »
For the Xylene I was told 15 minutes, and do it outdoors because of fumes.
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I currently ride a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B - Classic Plated
I also ride a 1980 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Classic Plated, and a 2006 Honda Goldwing with a Daytona 2+2 sidecar

My Sweetums rides a 2019 Suzuki DR650
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2023, 11:21:00 AM »
I was just talking to Bear.  His recipe is:

Using appropriate PPE (respirator and gloves), in a covered glass container, use a 5:1 mixture (5 parts xylene to 1 part oil of wintergreen).  Immerse rubber parts and check every two hours. 

Smaller items like grommets can swell too much to fit back into the holes and carb boots can grow in length.  So care must be taken. 
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75 Honda CB750K5
80 Suzuki TS250
 ? Yamaha Maxim 550
73 Z1 900
76 Kz900 A1
77 Kz1000 A1
78 Kz1000 B2 Ltd
79 Kz1000 B3 Ltd
80 Kz1000 C
99 Triumph Tiger 900
84 Honda VF750 Interceptor
77 Honda CB750


Current ride:
2019 Yamaha Tracer900

Current project:
1975 Honda CB750K5
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2023, 08:08:19 PM »
By golly, it works.  Thanks for the info, Bear.
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75 Honda CB750K5
80 Suzuki TS250
 ? Yamaha Maxim 550
73 Z1 900
76 Kz900 A1
77 Kz1000 A1
78 Kz1000 B2 Ltd
79 Kz1000 B3 Ltd
80 Kz1000 C
99 Triumph Tiger 900
84 Honda VF750 Interceptor
77 Honda CB750


Current ride:
2019 Yamaha Tracer900

Current project:
1975 Honda CB750K5
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2023, 06:26:55 PM »
Wgere do you get xylene ?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2023, 08:28:30 PM »
Sorry, I’ve no idea.  I’ve had it for eight, nine years or more.  Seems to me I found it on a work site I was on.  Someone said it was a good degreaser.  Thankfully I never used it.  It’s really toxic cancerous stuff. 
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75 Honda CB750K5
80 Suzuki TS250
 ? Yamaha Maxim 550
73 Z1 900
76 Kz900 A1
77 Kz1000 A1
78 Kz1000 B2 Ltd
79 Kz1000 B3 Ltd
80 Kz1000 C
99 Triumph Tiger 900
84 Honda VF750 Interceptor
77 Honda CB750


Current ride:
2019 Yamaha Tracer900

Current project:
1975 Honda CB750K5
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2023, 08:30:06 PM »
I picked a can up at Home Depot.  I think it was the Kamloops Home Depot but it may have been Squamish. 
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Past rides include a 1973 Suzuki GT380 & a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B

I currently ride a 1975 Kawasaki Z1B - Classic Plated
I also ride a 1980 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Classic Plated, and a 2006 Honda Goldwing with a Daytona 2+2 sidecar

My Sweetums rides a 2019 Suzuki DR650
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